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Oboro is really having a good winrate performance but he is definitely not so much used. I agree that his clone skill make him stronger than he used to be but he would need to make much more noise in ladder to be touched. He is a good choice for beginners as well

Hey guys, anyone feel free to send suggestions here I'll be trying to answer them ^^

The ladder is more balanced now than it was before. Altought the current meta is not as strong as the previous one, I believe some small nerfs can force people to be more skilled to use it or to be more creative an use other teams:

Meta:




From these chars, I believe Jiraya is balanced and the frogs are ok.

A few ways to balance this team:

Remove the 10 damage for enemies that attack him OR remove the damage reduction.
If you don't want to touch this skill, another idea:

Make it cost blodline instead of random

If you want to change the frogs (which I believe that seems balanced), the only skill a little bit off is this one:

Ideas: Make it cost gen instead of random OR increase the cd by 1.

I hope you and whoever else is balancing this game won't be afraid to make more creative changes just because this is "classic" N-A. You're very quickly bringing back the same problems Oro-era N-A had where new characters were objectively stronger than older characters because their kits were more diverse and effective, even if all Oro would ever code is "this character does 25 damage to 1 enemy." There's a reason why Kisame, Nagato, Frogs completely demolished everything; all three of those characters had three very good skills which made them borderline impossible to counter-play with anything other than a mirror team. Many old characters have required prep skills or have some kind of "all-or-nothing" design, like Shigure, whose entire kit revolves around one AoE skill. Counter his AoE and he literally cannot do anything for 2 or 3 turns. It's why a character like Kisame is always high-tier; on paper he really is not that strong, but having three cost-efficient attacks with great secondary effects means he essentially has something to do every turn. You'd be surprised how few characters have that luxury. I hope some older characters can be reworked or tweaked to be more diverse and complex with their designs. I think Hinata is a good start with her Byakugan rework; there are literally zero anti-counter skills amongst all the default characters, so giving her one is a huge boost to new players. Even if Gentle Fist is busted now.

Yeah i noticed this team having high winrate and I'm already planning to handle it next balance, but thank you for your suggestions, it helps me to know a bit more of other people opinion and will definitely influence in how I'll take decisions of balancing them.


I'd rather not say why but Nagato and Frogs were wrongly intentional to be strong as they were so they would definitely dominate ladder, but I assure there won't be characters being released like the way they were. It's important to say that i will always try to add characters that will bring something new to the game, so usually some reworks might happen to them but I'm always trying to keep their essence, like it happened to Ao, Torune and Fu. Fu and Torune ones were based on Kostas rework but Ao had a new skill never seen in game. I tried to take some babysteps before fully nerfing them over the patches cause i don't want to kill them by mistake (unless it's really necessary).

I hope you and whoever else is balancing this game won't be afraid to make more creative changes just because this is "classic" N-A. You're very quickly bringing back the same problems Oro-era N-A had where new characters were objectively stronger than older characters because their kits were more diverse and effective, even if all Oro would ever code is "this character does 25 damage to 1 enemy." There's a reason why Kisame, Nagato, Frogs completely demolished everything; all three of those characters had three very good skills which made them borderline impossible to counter-play with anything other than a mirror team. Many old characters have required prep skills or have some kind of "all-or-nothing" design, like Shigure, whose entire kit revolves around one AoE skill. Counter his AoE and he literally cannot do anything for 2 or 3 turns. It's why a character like Kisame is always high-tier; on paper he really is not that strong, but having three cost-efficient attacks with great secondary effects means he essentially has something to do every turn. You'd be surprised how few characters have that luxury. I hope some older characters can be reworked or tweaked to be more diverse and complex with their designs. I think Hinata is a good start with her Byakugan rework; there are literally zero anti-counter skills amongst all the default characters, so giving her one is a huge boost to new players. Even if Gentle Fist is busted now.